New Order Mormon

[canadiancynic]

Entirely plausible... wow. I'm kind of speechless. I was aware peripherally of this being done (we had a really wacky fireside when I was in high school, in which the local deep doctrine guy gave a long, drawn out and very obscure talk on the second anointing)

LDS mormon.com confirms the details he puts in there. I'm still skeptical because this is the internet, but we'll see if he continues to say plausible things.

Mike M. please keep following this, I'd love to see what 'anointed one' says next on RFM.

If this is true, what do you think about the ..could we say viral? way in which this is being spread, IE by recommendations? Is it possible that this is some kind of retrenchment, trying to tie prominent members tighter to the church?

Here's a few links, Dialogue that I came across looking at things.

Buerger's "The Second Anointing in LDS Theology and Practice" Dialogue 16(1) 1983 P. 10

Buegers "The Development of the Mormon Temple Endowment Ceremony"
Dialogue 34 (1/2) 2001 P 75

A History of Dialoguge (starts on pg 19 where their talking about publishing Buergers first article and the controversy caused)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/dialogue&CISOPTR=29817&CISOSHOW=29637&REC=4
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/dialogue&CISOPTR=18347&CISOSHOW=18194&REC=3
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And thus is God, oft strangely odd

[Lincoln]

I remember discussing the topic of having our calling and election made sure, when I was a youth. We discussed it on our missions as well and concluded that Jesus would be the one who performed the ordinance. It's so telling to find out that its not Jesus, it's a bunch of guys who nominate one another for salvation. That really kind of blows my mind. Like someone said previously, that really cuts against the grain of what the gospel teaches us. I always thought that God would be my judge, when I was TBM, and that He would reward me for my righteousness or punish me for my disobedience. But after reading this material, and all the links about this secret ordinance, it seems that men have taken it upon themselves to award salvation to new nominees in the church. Very strange. In this ordinance, it appears that Mormonism takes God right out of the equation.

[Steve-M]

What blows my mind is that (if the RFM account is accurate), this ordinance is being administered to far more people than I imagined (I may know several people who have received it!), and yet, in spite of the alleged scope of second anointing administrations, the vast majority of members do not even know that it exists, much less what it consists of. It really hearkens back to Joseph's Quorum of the Anointed.

[Dathon]

[canadiancynic]

So, I just had something come to mind that just weirded me out.

Who gets the 'second anointing'? More importantly, has the ceremony been translated? Does it happen ANYWHERE outside of the US, say Utah, Idaho, Arizona, and possibly DC... maybe Cardston/Toronto on the outside.

I'm wondering because this is looking more and more to me like the secret something that the Mormon Establishment can offer. Since the temple is an open secret, they make that available to everyone, but only those in their club get the extra special executive washroom key to heaven. "anointed one" on RfM mentioned a recommendation procedure for other couples.

Conspiracy theories aside...Is this one of those Council of Fifty/Danite/Skull and Bones/Masonic Lodge clubs for the elite? Gives you a special handshake, extra bidding rights on church contracts and 50% off at BYU...lol
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[Schultz]

Secrets bind. The Masons knew this, JS knew it as well.

Within the Mormon community the temple ceremony has become pedestrian--everybody is endowed. 'Within' the community there is no secret. To bind the 'core' we need another layer. Enter the second anointing.

I believe this is similar to Masonry adding additional degrees. You need to feed the 'lifers' a steady diet of exclusivity or they get bored.
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Men think epilepsy divine, merely because they do not understand it. But if they called everything devine which they do not understand, why, there would be no end of devine things.
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[Steve-M]

[A New Name]

According to Buerger, the 2nd Anointing was last discontinued in the 1940’s (I’m trying to remember, since I don’t have the book in front of me) when a SP in Idaho told his whole stake that he had just gotten his 2nd anointing. The “brethren” had a fit, and the Prophet scaled way back, to almost none.

That being the case, maybe this “leak” of the 2nd anointing will again cause it to go back to nothing for several generations. Which if that is the case, then can it really be a saving ordinance if it is discontinued because people know about it?

A New Name

[Mike Michaels]

[Mike Michaels]

[Steve-M]

[GypsyD]

I'm gonna have to say that it's dang hard finding the "middle" when the edges are so freakin' fuzzy.

This is my biggest beef. Stuff that I taught was DOCTRINE, capital D, no wavering, made us peculiar and restorative-turns out to not be so. Stuff that I thought was cultural, turns out to be WAY more in focus than doctrine and well-any of you who can find the middle in that-more power to ya.

I couldn't (didn't) do it. Clearly.

And I'm with Mike. The authority of women to "bless" was one of the things that made the temple meaningful to me. But you can't talk about it outside the temple. No one prepares you before hand to have a woman lay hands on your head and annoint you. I would have LOVED to have know that before hand, and I would have loved to have been able to discuss the doctrinal wonder of that with anyone outside the temple. I didn't have a single bishop in 23 years who was willing to talk to me (even in the temple) about women and priesthood. And I wasn't even a so-called feminist. I was a mother in Zion who desperately wanted to know that my study, my prayers, my seeking, my mothering were all valid in terms of the structure of the kingdom. My heart told me they were-as did some deeply spiritual experiences), but the system wouldn't, couldn't, didn't acknowledge my divine feminine in any way outside the context of the "real" priesthood.

So, yeah. If word gets out that women are already receiving those "higher" blessings....oh! and another thing. How do these women who are receiving this second annointing keep it from the other Sisters with whom they interact. How do you as a woman with further light and knowledge not reach out with that to another sister who is struggling and fearing that they will never be acceptable to Heavenly Father. I could NOT do it.

Guess that's why I didn't get my calling and election made sure. Clearly.
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[Dathon]

[mamato4]

Well it seems to fit in with how my religion professor at Ricks said it was. He said it was a temple ordinance that happened daily in temples around the world.

[Dathon]